The Errors of Hyper-Preterism
In response to numerous inquiries regarding full or hyperpreterism, I’ve decided to layout arguments as to why it is a heresy. Hyperpreterism teaches that ALL bible prophecy was fulfilled at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, including the Second Advent, the Resurrection, and the Final Judgment. The view is unorthodox to say the least.
I’ll begin with a scriptural analysis, which will include prophesies from both the Old and New Testament that are unfulfilled. I’ll also address historical arguments, and look at the ramifications of such teaching, if carried to their logical end.
The Second Advent
“And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven." (Acts 1:9-11)
The text, particularly the phrase “in like manner”, demands a physical, bodily return of Christ. Most hyper-preterists have been greatly influences by James Stuart Russell’s The Parousia, published in 1887. I won’t go into the details of their commentaries on Acts 1:9-11 as you can read them for yourself here. Some, such as Randall Otto, want to interpret the phrase “gazing up into heaven” as mere “spiritual perception”. This is a fable, an invention of human neurons There is absolute nothing in this entire passage supports the idea of mere "spiritual perception". We must take the text for what it says. The Apostles saw the Ascension of Christ, and were promised that He would return in like manner.
“But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.” (2 Peter 3:10)
The above text is less convincing, and even some orthodox (partial) preterists associate this with 70 AD. Their argument hinges on the idea that, in the New Testament, the phrase “the day of the Lord” refers to 70 AD, and 2 Peter 3:10 uses apocalyptic language similar to the Olivet Discourse. However, similar language is just that, similar language. This language is used to describe many events in the Old Testament (See Isaiah’s Prophecy against Babylon (Isaiah 13:1, 10), so why would we used it to describe only one event in the New Testament? The same is true with “the day of the Lord”. There were many “days of the Lord” in the OT (See Isaiah 13:6, 9), so why is there only one in the New?
I hold that Peter’s prophecy must refer to the Second Advent, due to the context of this passage. Peter is dealing with scoffers of the Second Advent who ask, “Where is the promise of His coming?” (2 Peter 3:4). Peter responds, “beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” (2 Peter 3:8). Such a statement would be unnecessary if the event Peter was describing were going to happen within a decade or so.
"Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.” (John 14:1-3)
The promise that Jesus gave to his disciples is that he would “will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.” This passage has led to some very interesting, albeit unorthodox, theories concerning 70 AD. Some, like Ed Stevens, believe that the church was literally raptured to heaven in 70 AD. Many other theories abound among hyper-preterists as to how this was fulfilled, but the result is that most of them deny that there were any Christians left on planet earth after 70 AD. They will reject the idea that the Apostle John lived on earth up until the reign of Emperor Trajan, which is all but historical fact. Of course, that makes any reference to church history moot. Consider the words of Ed Stevens.
"Maybe some Church Fathers made a mistake. Maybe our favorite theologians have made mistakes. I can abide with that. I can’t abide with Jesus being a false prophet.”
Of course this assumes that Jesus prophesied the fulfillment of ALL prophecy (in a universal sense) by 70 AD, which He didn’t. In order to take Steven’s approach, one must reject the writings of any Christian who claims to have lived through 70 AD, such as Clement of Rome. Of course, if the church was indeed raptured in 70 AD, then what does that do for Christians today? This problem gets even more obvious in dealing with the Resurrection.
The Resurrection
“Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:28-29)
Both Partial and Full Preterism agree that, in opposition to Dispensationalism, there is but one resurrection. The righteous and wicked are raised up at the same time, just like John 5 states. The disagreement, however, is no minor one. Did the resurrection occur in 70 AD, or is yet future? Aside from the fact that there is no historical evidence of a resurrection in 70 AD, hyper-preterism faces the same dilemma as Dispensationalism in that it leaves at least one group of Christians without a resurrection, namely us. Most hyper-preterists are forced to step way outside of orthodox Christianity (if they weren’t there already) toward gnosticism when dealing with the resurrection. Max King and others deny the bodily resurrection. This is similar to the belief addressed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15.
“Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.” (1 Corinthians 15:12-19)
Paul does go on to describe the resurrection in terms of a “spiritual body”, but it is clear that this Spiritual body has some continuity with the physical body. Jesus clearly promised to the literal resurrection of his followers (John 6:39-40, 44), stating that it would happen on the last day. Denying the physical resurrection clearly puts hyper-preterism outside of Christian Orthodoxy.
Others take a more unreasonable approach, claiming that the physical resurrection did in fact take place in 70 AD. Aside from the ramifications on the hope of modern saints, there needs to be an explanation as to why we still find bodies that pre-date 70 AD. Why, for example, was King Tut not bodily resurrected, since hyper-preterists believe that both the righteous and the wicked were resurrected in 70 AD? King Tut’s body was still in the grave when it was discovered.
The Promise of the Gospel
Jesus told his followers to “make disciples of all nations”, and guaranteed that He would be “…with you always, to the end of the age." (Matthew 28:18-20). Were the disciples disobedient? Is Jesus no longer with us? Have all nations been made disciples? What do we make of the passages that guarantee the success of the gospel? (See Psalm 22:27-28, Isaiah 2:2-4, Habakkuk 2:14, Malachi 1:11). Have they been fulfilled?
Historical Issues
What are we to make of the churches historical writings concerning hyper-preterism? Clement of Rome, John, Josephus, Titus, Vespasian, Ignatius all lived through 70 AD. Were they resurrected and judged? If so, then didn’t seem to realize it. The believers who lived through this time period all looked forward to a future, bodily resurrection. The Christian church has ALWAYS taught a future Advent of Christ. You may, as Stevens did, assume that they were all wrong. According to Stevens’ view, the Second Advent, the Resurrection, and the Final judgment have all taken place, and every church father, including those who lived through it, all missed out on it. This is apparent from their writings as well as the Creeds and Confessions of the Church.
The Apostles Creed: "He shall come to judge the living and the dead."
The Nicene Creed: "He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end."
The Athanasian Creed: "From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead."
Ramifications
If, in fact, all Bible Prophecy has been fulfilled, as hyper-preterism teaches, then what do we make of Christianity today? Have the Jews abandoned their false religion in favor of Christianity, thus bringing greater blessings to the gentiles (Romans 11:24-26)? What of God’s law? Is it still valid since heaven and earth have passed away (Matthew 5:17-18)? What about the Lord’s Supper (1 Corinthians 11:26)? Why are we still marrying and giving in marriage (Luke 20:35)? What of our resurrection and judgment? Has the great Commission been fulfilled (Matthew 28:18-20)? Is Jesus still sitting at the right hand of the Father (Psalm 110:1)? If not, where is He? Such a belief system tends to lead toward gnosticism and, in the case of the modern church, deism. Hyper-preterism is as ridiculous as it is unorthodox.
For more information, I recommend the following.
A Brief Theological Analysis of Hyper-Preterism by Kenneth Gentry
Acts 1:9–11 and the Hyper-Preterism Debate by Keith A. Mathison (pdf)


15 comments:
I am a former Full Preterist and have recently published an article to my blog on why I can no longer accept that position. This may be something you may want to check out.
http://www.shadowsofthecross.com/
Let's take it one point at a time, the scripture (Acts 1:9-11), who was the angel specking to?? "Men of Galilee", the angel's asking the "Men of Galilee" a question, why are you "Men of Galilee" looking into heaven, this Christ would return in the same way as, YOU "Men of Galilee" saw him go into heaven, mind you he's not asking me or you, why because we did not see Christ taken up, so how can we know what way he'll come back? If the "men of Galilee" were told they would see Christ return in the same way they saw him go up and they didn't was the angel a liar, and if the angel lied to them how could Christ be who he said we was???
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ANSWER THIS IF YOU MAY ABOUT HYPER-FUTURISM.TO START IS IN MATTHEW 24:48. HYPER-FUTURISM HAS MADE A HORRIBLE UNDERSTANDING OF BIBLE BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER TAlKING TO US ABOUT HIS COMING TO GET US!! TRADITONS AGAIN HAS CAME IN AN BLINDED THE PEOPLE FROM THE TRUTH. BUT THEY WILL FIGHT FOR THEIR TRADITIONS NO MATTER WHAT. WAS PAUL
TALKING TO YOU IN ROMANS,8:24 MY FREIND OR THEM IN THAT PRESENT TIME ROMANS 8:18. BUT JUST LIKE HYPER-FUTURISM YOU'RE READ THIS VERSE IN MATTHEW 24:36. BUT DID JESUS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT "TIME" WHEN HE WAS IN GLORY WITH THIS VERSE REVELATION 22:10 IT'S SAD THAT PEOPLE WOULD RATHER HOLD ON TO A LIE THEN CHANGE. HYPER-FUTURISM CAN'T AND WON'T FORCE God hand by saying soon forever to people that he's coming.I hope you people are not in matthew 24:48. Of course we won't accept this it's somebody else he's talking to somebody esle now. Btw, when does a delay start, what after he so-called comes? The song and dance about his coming from traditons is sad to say the least. Please don't use the 2 Tim 2:18 that was 2 thousands years ago.Those people were lying about the resurrection past already my friend not me or any other so-called hypter-
preterist. The bottom line my friend, only the principles apply
to you today.ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WHERE IS YOUR TEMPLE FOR YOU TO READ IN MATTHEW 24 AND LUKE 21. HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS CALLING THEM CHURCHES HERE!!!
DTG (Anonymous???)
The men of Galilee were told that Christ would return in the same way they saw him go up. They were NOT told that they would see Christ return in the same way they saw him go up.
"Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven."
(Acts 1:11)
As for your second point, I am not a futurist, but I am an orthodox preterist. The fact is that Christ has not returned in the same way they saw him go up, not has the final resurrection taken place (The bodies of my Christian loved ones are still in the grave). Paul deals with a similar heresy regarding the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15.
You eschatology is really no eschatology. It allows for unjudged sin to remain forever in God’s universe, and ignores the physical reality of the “Big Crunch”.
what way did he go up, I think we need a witness, know any men of galilee?
1. Question: what's the reason for the angles discourse with the "men of Galilee" are you saying the walked away believing the would not see Christ return?
2. What's an orthodox preterist?
3. Try to understand this, just as the Jews were looking for Christ to set up a physical kingdom on earth
you who deny the word of God are doing the same thing, what's Christ going to do with your loved ones bodies,
Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven they're with their Lord in his kingdom, if their not then Christ is a liar.
please answer DTG scripture in Matt 24:48
p.s I'm anonymous
Is the LORD OF HOST, IS HE GOING TO SHOW HIS GLORY IN THE CHURCH FOR AGES AND AGES IN THE CHURCH, "WORLD WITHOUT END" OR NOT! WHERE SIN ABOUND MUCH MORE GRACE ABOUND. HOW DO YOU KNOW BODIES ARE STILL IN THE GRAVE? YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT MATTHEW 24:48 YET! WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ME ABOUT YOU BEING AN ORTHODOX PRETERIST YEA, WHAT IS THAT.WAS JESUS ONE! HE REPAID THEM, THEM WHO? NOT OUR WORLD,YOU MUST BE READING INTO IN REVELATIONS SOMETHING THATS NOT THERE. YOU TAKE COMMUNION BECAUSE YOU THINK HE WAS TALKING TO YOU MY FRIEND NOTHING MORE. IT DOESN'T FORCE GOD HAND BY DOING IT OR NOT DOING IT. BTW IS FLESH AND BLOOD GOING TO INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? BECAUSE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO USE THE ACTS ACCOUNT WITHOUT BEING THERE. NOBODY CAN EXPLAIN ANYTHING THAT THE DISCIPLES SAW INCLUDING YOU AND ME. ALSO EVERYBODY SIN WILL BE JUDGED WHEN THEY DIE AFTER THE DEATH THEN THE?
Regarding Matthew 24:48, you didn't ask any specific question about it. Nonetheless, I hold that the entire Olivet Discourse was fulfilled in AD 70.
An orthodox preterist is partial, not denying the future resurrection (1 Corinthians 15), the final judgment, the future salvation of Israel after the flesh (Roman 11:24-26), and the fulfillment of the Great Commission (Psalm 22:27-28; Habakkuk 2:14). Full, or hyperpreterism is not orthodox.
We do have eyewitness accounts of how the Apostles saw Jesus ascension.
"And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight." (Acts 1:9)
Jesus was resurrected in his glorified body, as we will also (1 Corinthians 15:54). Deny this, and your preaching is in vain and you are still in your sins (1 Cor. 15:17).
There are two resurrections in Rev. 20. Your view can only account for one. (King Tut's body is still here on earth. He has yet to be resurrected.)
Please compare Daniel 12 1to 4 this shall happen at the time of the end. End of what? To John 5:25 to 29. Verse 25 the hour is coming and "now is" when is this? verse 28
"All" that are in the grave not some will hear his voice did they here it all? John 5:29 good and evil unto "one resurrection" where is the two. Acts 24:15 is Paul talking about two resurrection which they was waiting on. Also what kind of body do you think 1 COR 15:44 is talking about? 1 COR 15:23 TO 26 is this done yet? I won't use Rev 20 because you did know need to it's not two.
DTG,
I have no problem with your treatment of Daniel 12. In fact, I am in full agreement. What puts Full Preterism outside of Christian Orthodoxy is their denial of a future resurrection of the dead. You didn't answer my question about why King Tut is still dead. He has not been resurrected.
Jesus Christ was resurrected bodily. He may have had an incorruptable spiritual body, but it was still a body.
"See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
(Luke 24:39)
When the Apostle's came to the tomb, "they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." (Luke 24:3). The reason? "He is not here, but has risen..." (Luke 24:6). Unlike King Tut, Jesus was resurrected.
They same will happen to us. Your attempts to spiritualize the resurrection do not fly.
"that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own." (Philippians 3:10-12)
As I stated before, if you deny that the dead are raised, your preaching is in vain, and you are still in your sins.
Listern you must belive in some unknow time of anytime future resurrection. Phycial body resurrection, are the people in the future going to put the natural
back on. Then be judge, then go to heaven or hell in a spritual body after that. My hole point is when is NOW IS in JOHN. Flesh and Blood can not inherit what does this mean
nothing. You guys have yo avoid time statements. But i never said the dead dont raise my friend. I just say it happen already. We as beliver's put to much into a word of orthodoxy of "men" o.k. scence we agree with Daniel what about verse 7 shall be finished. Daniel 12:9 with Rev 22:10 is there anything there about the end in Daniel. Do you need the temple for you're view? BTW What does it mean by 1 COR 15:52 can you explain this what kind of body it was or will be when you blink?
DTG,
If the resurrection has already happened, they why is King Tut still dead? Answer the question please.
I already explained that the spiritual body is still a body. I have shown that to you through Christ, the firstfruits of our resurrection.
I already told you that I am an orthodox preterist. I don’t need any future temple.
Why are we sill marrying and giving in marriage?
The king tut thing what is this you're case to say it didn't happen.
First can you prove this! did you see the body of king tut? You said you believe in the olive discourse right. Who broke it up the bible did Jesus do this? or being partial thinking do this. You guys usually start at verse
at Matthew 24:36 is this true? BWT way Matthew 24:48 "when does the delay start" please answer that!
DTG,
You are creating strawment. If it makes you feel better, I hold that the Olivet Discourse was fulfilled in 70 AD. But that does not remove the requirement of a future bodily resurrection, just like Jesus had.
Since you asked, click link to see King Tut's body. He hasn't been resurrected yet.
Please explain what was fulfilled and why? Was this in it Mathhew 24:39 frist, then 40 and 41.
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