tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34749839.post930481219398362018..comments2024-01-24T15:46:14.823-05:00Comments on Covenant Theology: Who are God’s Chosen People?Puritan Ladhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240560332777968090noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34749839.post-38084981632816423852012-11-30T00:27:22.064-05:002012-11-30T00:27:22.064-05:00the dispies claim that modern day israel is a full...the dispies claim that modern day israel is a fullfillment of bible prophecy but the thing is though if you believe that Israel will be reborn and you ACTIVELY try to make that happen isnt that a self-fulling prophecy? (if i made a prediction that i will eat waffles tomorrow and i did am i a prophet?<br /><br />Daniel had no control with the 4 kingdoms and all since they was really no way for him or any of his readers to actively try and fullfill his prophecies! wakawakwakahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264808613704582683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34749839.post-38026201567087565512006-12-23T13:24:00.000-05:002006-12-23T13:24:00.000-05:00I did an interesting historical study on this a wh...I did an interesting historical study on this a while ago. One of the problems I found was this: In the OT, Jews are descendants from the tribe of Judah, according to the original language. The OT covenant was made with all 12 tribes of Israel. Those tribes were taken away to Babylon, and of those, only 2 and a bit returned to the area know as Israel today. Those were Judah, Benjamin and part of the Levites, the priests who had to accompany Israel by Godly decree. <br /><br />The other tribes remained in banishment, and eventualy spread throughout Europe. That accounts for the mission trips that the apostles and their followers undertook, to seek out those "lost" tribes", and the relative ease with which the gospel spread. After all, they have been expecting the Messiah for many years.<br /><br />PL, you also touch on this. In the NT, the greek word translated as Jew comes from a word that means anyone who inhabited the part of the country called Juda, or Jehudah. That means that those who conquered Israel 800 years before the birth of Christ were also known as Jews. This goes back to PL's question, who are the Jews?<br /><br />The DNA is severly diluted, and those that are of partial Abrahamic descent may not even know it, since they have been scattered across the world since 800 BC.<br /><br />That is why God sent Jesus,to establish a new covenant, with His blood:<br />Luk 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood."<br /><br />That was the purchase of the blood sacrifice needed to fulfill the old covenant of blood making atonement for the soul. (Lev 17:11)<br /><br />Essentially, there is no need for the old covenant any more. The eternity of the Abrahamic covenant is fulfilled by Jesus, and it applies for eternity.<br /><br />There is so much more to say on this, it requires several complete treatments.<br /><br />I hope this rambling makes some sense.Augusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12811077365729979841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34749839.post-65249540059985046302006-12-20T16:38:00.000-05:002006-12-20T16:38:00.000-05:00Turgonian,
To clarify, the Judaist will not be co...Turgonian,<br /><br />To clarify, the Judaist will not be considered God's chosen until he forsakes his false religion and returns to the faith of Abraham and Moses, which includes the gospel of Jesus Christ. I am confident, based on Romans 11, that this will happen. But I don't buy the "Dual Covenant" Theology of Hagee and, to a lesser degree, other Dispensationalists who view Judaism as a Biblical belief system that just needs to add the New Testament to their otherwise adequate religion.<br /><br />There is only one Covenant of Grace, through Jesus Christ, for both Jew and Gentile. Those who reject it, well, Jesus addresses them strongly in John 8:29-44. No wonder they crucified Him.Puritan Ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240560332777968090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34749839.post-27270415056353354462006-12-20T16:27:00.000-05:002006-12-20T16:27:00.000-05:00As a postmillennialist, I would say yes, based on ...As a postmillennialist, I would say yes, based on Romans 11. But that does bring up some questions. As I asked in the article, who are the decendants of Abraham? Is it a race, region, or the Judaist religion? It is the last definition that I have the problem with. Judaism is a false demonic cult, nothing more, nothing less. Dispensationalism sees the practitioners of Judaism as God's Covenant People, as I outlined above. There is no Covenant without Christ.<br /><br />Yes, we are grafted in, and the Judaists will once again be grafted back in. But there is only one vine, Christ. Those that do not abide in the vine are cut off and burnt.<br /><br />It is a strong truth, but it needs to be told. Judaists need Christ, not Abraham's DNA.Puritan Ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240560332777968090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34749839.post-67258200198182535382006-12-20T16:11:00.000-05:002006-12-20T16:11:00.000-05:00A very strong article...but don't you think God st...A very strong article...but don't you think God still has some special favour toward Abraham's descendants? After all, this article does look like Replacement Theology. And doesn't the Bible say that we (the Gentiles) were <b>grafted onto</b> the Jewish branch?<br /><br />I don't believe that Abraham's descendants can take a different road to Heaven. But you, as a postmillennialist, believe that Abraham's descendants (if I've understood you correctly) will be the cause of blessings for the whole world, when they repent. Doesn't that show that the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will still have an important place in world history?Turgonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13631382534572993042noreply@blogger.com